Legend_pr0
Mar 19, 2021
#1
Title
PRWoodpusher
Mar 19, 2021
#2
Chess is played by about 90% males, so any time a lady has acheived a high standard it is mentioned as an exceptional accomplishment.
Aslo the tf in your post was not needed.
KnightChecked
Mar 19, 2021
#3
There are gender-separate events (and gender-specific titles) to encourage more females to participate in chess.
Statistically, women just aren't as interested in chess as men are. They're less likely to learn it. Less likely to obsess over it. Less likely to continue playing it into adulthood.
So the female-only leagues (and titles) are an attempt to make the game more appealing and inviting for them.
TheHarbingerOfDoom
Mar 19, 2021
#4
Why do you care?
Dummy
ChessLebaneseSalah
Mar 19, 2021
#5
because some people who actually took some time to think about it instead of asking in forums thought it would bring more women to the game of chess and give the women who start playing a higher chance of getting invested in chess seriously and for a title, without being demotivated. Also some CM titles are given to weaker players in some countries to promote chess there and so that the rare chess players dont get demotivated. So next time instead of asking rudely maybe think about it for 5 seconds using your brain
warrior-vik
That's true
Lol
This the sodium attack
TheHarbingerOfDoom
Mar 19, 2021
#7
Why do we need any ratings at all. How come some people need to prove they are the best. That they are better than other people? It’s all abit sad really.
Time to get rid of titles and play for fun. Oh but where would the egomaniacs go for their fix?
dfgh123
Mar 19, 2021
#8
TheHarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Why do we need any ratings at all. How come some people need to prove they are the best. That they are better than other people? It’s all abit sad really.
Time to get rid of titles and play for fun. Oh but where would the egomaniacs go for their fix?
It's only fun if it's a fair fight and ratings allow this to happen.
warrior-vik
Mar 19, 2021
#9
dfgh123 wrote:
TheHarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Why do we need any ratings at all. How come some people need to prove they are the best. That they are better than other people? It’s all abit sad really.
Time to get rid of titles and play for fun. Oh but where would the egomaniacs go for their fix?
It's only fun if it's a fair fight and ratings allow this to happen.
I sorta agree with both of you
MARattigan
Mar 19, 2021
#10
ChessLebaneseSalah wrote:
because some people who actually took some time to think about it instead of asking in forums thought it would bring more women to the game of chess and give the women who start playing a higher chance of getting invested in chess seriously and for a title, without being demotivated. Also some CM titles are given to weaker players in some countries to promote chess there and so that the rare chess players dont get demotivated. So next time instead of asking rudely maybe think about it for 5 seconds using your brain
You sexist b*st*rd. If women want to play chess they can decide that for themselves without "some people" deciding for them (and assuming they're useless on the basis of their gender).
bluebeanbag
Mar 19, 2021
#11
idk, maybe to encourage more females to play chess by making gm title easier?
mpaetz
Mar 19, 2021
#12
In the past women were not allowed to participate in quite a few activities. Not allowed to vote. Not allowed in saloons. Not allowed to be lawyers, architects, doctors--the list is long. Not allowed in coffehouses, pubs, gentlemen's clubs, and other places chess was played. So of course there were very few women chess players, and they only played each other (serious play, not at home for amusement, that was OK).
Therefore women's FIDE tournaments were separate from men's and women's ratings and titles applied only to their games vs other women. A rare few women (Vera Menchik for example) competed vs men. At lower levels of competition men made up the overwhelming majority of players, although a few women played organized chess. As time passed, more women played, more became strong players, some became IMs and GMs. As recently as 30 years ago it was almost impossible for any female to get into strong-enough events to earn GM norms. So FIDE kept the women's titles even though most tournaments were mixed-gender and ratings are for all games played.
Ideally, in time more women will participate in chess and the need for separate women's titles will disappear, but, as many chess.com subscribers in some parts of the world know from firsthand experience, women are not free to do as they please and participate in any activity the wish in many societies, so the separate tournaments and titles will continue to exist for the forseeable future.
genacgenac
Mar 19, 2021
#13
70000 years of patriarchy is crashing to its demise. Your question is exhibit A.
MARattigan
Mar 19, 2021
#14
mpaetz wrote:
In the past women were not allowed to participate in quite a few activities. Not allowed to vote. Not allowed in saloons. Not allowed to be lawyers, architects, doctors--the list is long. Not allowed in coffehouses, pubs, gentlemen's clubs, and other places chess was played. So of course there were very few women chess players, and they only played each other (serious play, not at home for amusement, that was OK).
When were women not allowed to play chess? Before my time and I'm pretty ancient.
ponz111
Mar 19, 2021
#15
Because women are different than men [haven't you noticed?] There are many things men can do better than women and many things women can do better than men.
blueemu
Mar 19, 2021
#16
TheHarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Why do we need any ratings at all. How come some people need to prove they are the best. That they are better than other people? It’s all abit sad really.
Time to get rid of titles and play for fun. Oh but where would the egomaniacs go for their fix?
Ratings give us something to dickwave.
Mine's bigger than yours!
TheHarbingerOfDoom
Mar 19, 2021
#17
Yes it is. Good for you lol
TheNameofNames
Mar 19, 2021
#18
Some do have gm norms i believe Its not like it matters have a title gm doesnt mean all gms are rated equally so who cares
Soniasthetics
Mar 19, 2021
#19
because women know we are inferior to men when it comes to chess so we have our own titles so we can compete against fair opposition, but then at the same time cry about sexism and misogyny and that we are just as good.
REEEEEEEEE LOGIC.
mpaetz
Mar 19, 2021
#20
MARattigan wrote:
mpaetz wrote:
In the past women were not allowed to participate in quite a few activities. Not allowed to vote. Not allowed in saloons. Not allowed to be lawyers, architects, doctors--the list is long. Not allowed in coffehouses, pubs, gentlemen's clubs, and other places chess was played. So of course there were very few women chess players, and they only played each other (serious play, not at home for amusement, that was OK).
When were women not allowed to play chess? Before my time and I'm pretty ancient.
Nineteenth and very early twentieth centuries. No "proper" lady would enter most establishments where chess players met in that era. Chess clubs were formed by and for gentlemen. The fact that opportunities for women expanded rapidly in the post-WWI years didn't mean they decided to rush into chess clubs, women weren't expected to be chess players, weren't exposed to the game, weren't tutored or encouraged by male chessplayers. I learned to play in the "Fischer boom" of the early 1970s and played regularly in Berkeley, CA--a pretty free and liberal area. Female members of the Berkeley Chess Club, and female players in local tournaments were few and far between as long as I played (into the early 1990s). When I started playing again upon retiring five years ago I saw many more women players, though males are still a heavy majority. And in places such as Saudi Arabia, Iran etc there is still no possibility for women to participate with men in organized chess.
FAQs
Why tf is there a separate grandmaster and woman grandmaster - Chess Forums? ›
Separate women's titles were and still are a way to increase the level of representation in the game. It's similar to how some events give automatic titles and/or norms, outside of normal rating/norm requirements, especially in areas without much chess representation.
Why is there WGM and GM in chess? ›It may be a way of making the game more attractive to the fairer sex. There are far fewer women playing chess and the (W)GM or (W)IM are a way to balance this out and encourage more women to play.
Why are there no female grandmasters in chess? ›Their study also found that both sexes improve at an matching pace, and they concluded that the success of men at chess's highest tiers is fuelled by the overwhelming majority of boys who enter the game at its lowest levels. So why are there so few female chess grandmasters? Because fewer women play chess.
Why is there a women's Grandmaster title? ›When women started to play they were at a much lower level and so all female tournaments started to get organised, which resulted in women achieving 'female' ratings. The term WGM, women's Grandmaster, is still used for women who reach the grandmaster level by playing against other women.
Why are chess competitions separated by gender? ›It's a step toward remedying a difficult reality for top female players: It's far easier for top male players to make a living from chess, allowing them to devote themselves to the game in a way that just isn't possible for many women. That limits the female playing field and, in doing so, helps widen the gender gap.
What is GM vs IM vs WGM? ›Main Takeaways. International Master and Grandmaster are the highest ranks in chess awarded by the FIDE. The main distinguishing factor between the two levels is the FIDE rating: an IM needs a minimum rating of 2400, whereas a GM needs a 2500 rating or above to be eligible for the title.
Who is the weakest chess GM? ›The weakest GM ever: Herman Suradiradja.
Is there sexism in chess? ›Sexism in chess
Polgár, Shahade and Houska said that they have encountered sexism, including belittling comments about their abilities, opponents who refused to shake hands, and online trolls questioning if girls and women belong in chess. Some male players have commented negatively on women's performance in chess.
Thus, logically, and in reality, a smaller base of females means fewer women than men at the top of the chess rating list, as one study found. Offering occasional female-only tournaments may make chess more attractive to girls and women, for the financial, social, and publicity reasons mentioned above.
Why are there no black grandmasters? ›Chess is historically an Indo-European game, mostly played by Europeans (and in India). Minorities in European countries will be under-represented in chess because they are minorities - they are under-represented in the main population where chess is primarily played at very high levels.
Can a Grandmaster lose his title? ›
Grandmaster (GM) is a title awarded to chess players by the world chess organization FIDE. Apart from World Champion, Grandmaster is the highest title a chess player can attain. Once achieved, the title is held for life, though exceptionally the title can be revoked for cheating.
What is a female Grandmaster called? ›The woman grandmaster (abbreviated as WGM) is one of the official titles awarded by the International Chess Federation (FIDE) exclusively to women chess players. It is the highest-ranking title that is exclusive to women, above the woman international master, woman FIDE master, and woman candidate master titles.
Are there any female super grandmasters? ›There are 40 female chess players who hold the title of Grandmaster (GM), the highest title awarded by the International Chess Federation (FIDE).
How high is Magnus Carlsen's IQ? ›I wouldn't want to know it anyway. It might turn out to be a nasty surprise.” A few experts estimated Magnus Calsen's IQ to be around 190. Regardless of his IQ, it is no doubt that he is a chess wizard. GM Vladimir Kramnik called Magnus Carlsen a “close to genius” during the 2014 World Championship.
Why is chess so male dominated? ›Males dominate the chess scene in rankings and population, but not because they are more intelligent. Instead, the influences that affect the imbalance in chess demographics can be attributed to biological, psychological, social, economic, and cultural factors.
Has a woman ever won chess world championship? ›It depicts the life of an imaginary female chess prodigy named Beth Harmon, who after learning the game from the janitor of the orphanage she grows up in in the 1950s, goes on to become the world's greatest player. In real life, no woman has ever been crowned world champion.
Why does WGM exist? ›Creating titles like WGM was a way of attracting greater female participation. Because women (on average) have a lower ELO than men, then you have women chess titles to indicate that, amongst women, they have a master or grandmaster playing strength.
Why grandmasters are male? ›For many, the reason is simple. There's a pervasive belief that males dominate chess because of intellectual superiority. However, men generally are more inclined to play the game, and other external factors affect this imbalance.
Do chess grandmasters lose their title? ›Once achieved, the title is held for life, though exceptionally the title can be revoked for cheating. The title of Grandmaster, along with the lesser FIDE titles of International Master (IM), FIDE Master (FM), and Candidate Master (CM), is open to all players regardless of gender.
Is IM or GM better in chess? ›Is Grandmaster better than International Master? Yes. Grandmaster -formerly known as International Grandmaster too- is the highest title FIDE awards. International Master is the title before Grandmaster.